Subject: Congregational Mailling
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:49:09 EDT
From: [Pat Moore]
To: [Birds of a Feather], UUCFchat
CC: Jane Anthony]
Hi to everyone,
Most of you have or soon will be receiving a mailing from some of us at UUCF. In it is some information that may bring out the different opinions of our diverse membership.
One quality we are hoping to tap into at UUCF is our willingness and ability to listen to each other with open minds and hearts, and to respond with a respectful exchange of ideas.
I do have some concern this mailing might also trigger the anger some members (on every side of the issues) are feeling. I hope you won't mind my sharing some thoughts with you about this.
I, like some others, am angry about the friends who have left and many of the changes I have seen in recent years at UUCF. Others are angry with me (and those who share my concerns) because they apparently are comfortable with UUCF and don't understand why we are not.
I am as uncomfortable with anger as anyone--my own and everyone else's. In other places at other times, I have repressed my anger about problems for months, then let it all out at once. This type of built-up anger can scare others or at least stop them from listening. It can also be destructive -- causing me to leave friends and loved ones behind in the rubble.
I have come to see anger as a normal, healthy emotion. It tells me when something is wrong. The "something" may be within or outside myself. If I can find its root and use its energy to responsibly and constructively make positive changes, anger is one of my most valuable emotions.
I will do my best to keep my exchanges about this mailing mindful, respectful and constructive. I hope all of us will make similar attempts. However, if in a moment of heated concern about our church, someone's anger or sadness gets the best of her or him, I hope we will be compassionate, knowing none of us are perfect and UUCF is important to all of us.
Thanks for listening.
Pat Moore
PS If you haven't read Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav, you may want to check it out. Here are a couple quotes from that book:
"When you seek to dominate another you dominate no one but disempower yourself."
"The choice not to choose is the choice to remain unconscious and, therefore, to wield power irresponsibly."
Subject: Congregational Mailing
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:42:25 -0400
From: Stefani Cochran
To: [UUCF Chat]
Pat Moore wrote:
>Hi to everyone,
>Most of you have or soon will be receiving a mailing from some of us at
UUCF.
>In it is some information that may bring out the different opinions of our
>diverse membership.
>One quality we are hoping to tap into at UUCF is our willingness and
ability
>to listen to each other with open minds and hearts, and to respond with a
>respectful exchange of ideas.
>I do have some concern this mailing might also trigger the anger...
Dear Pat and others on this list, Dan and I did receive the letter, and we were stunned by the anger (and underlying frustration, pain and/or sense of powerlessness) the authors were/are experiencing which was evident in the letter, especially the list of issues. Pat is correct: anger does tell you something is wrong, either
within or without; however in the letter I see just the looking without. In my practice as a psychotherapist I have found it much more valuable to begin searching for solutions by looking within for sources of anger and discomfort, because that is where it can be most readily identified and dealt with constructively.
Clearly some people are disappointed in what they see as problems at UUCF, but my experience has been that every time I attend I am touched and amazed by the warmth, connection, and caring which is palpable between and among members and friends there. If the church and its leadership foster this kind of experience for most, they are also doing many things very right.
As for some of the issues noted: People leave; I might leave UUCF too if I couldn't get into the parking lot, or if there were little space for my children in RE; I might go to one of the newer churches UUCF has deliberately supported which has meant losing committed and pledging members to those developing congregations. It doesn't bother me that people leave because they don't get their needs met at UUCF; I'm happy we have many many UU churches from which to choose around the beltway. Where Dan and I now live we have just one. People change and grow as does UUCF, and people have a right to go where their lives' paths lead them and where they can get more of what they want.
I don't think the fact that meetings aren't attended by everyone means anything negative; to me low attendance signifies a high level of trust in those who do attend. I never attend my board of supervisors' meetings unless I think they aren't doing a good job and need my help.
>I will do my best to keep my exchanges about this mailing mindful,
respectful
>and constructive.
I believe this is the desire of the authors, but I didn't experience the letter I received as respectful or constructive, rather I felt blame projected onto others--especially onto those in the church leadership--for the problems they identify. Just a few examples of that were: " erosion of democracy, free-speech and respectful treatment of members", "numerous complaints of ministerial unresponsiveness/insensitivity," "When you seek to dominate another you dominate no one but disempower yourself."
The authors clearly are unhappy with certain lacks they see in the church, and they are looking at a solution, but I have never known a mailing to the whole membership to be a constructive one.
When I lived closer was able to attend UUCF regularly, for the 25 years between l969-l994--including being president for two years--when we didn't like something that was going on those of us who were unhappy looked at our mission statement and used it to ground ourselves and then tried compassionately to connect with the people involved with the problem, find out the causes and then brainstorm win-win solutions with everyone involved. Often this included giving what we wanted to get: putting ourselves in the others' shoes, listening, understanding, offering more adult RE classes, becoming a members of the worship committee and creating services we wanted to see presented, different kinds of social and fund-raising events, working on committees we wished to change, chairing new committees to fill unmet needs. I wish that were being done at UUCF by all those who want to enhance congregational life.
I believe that people at all times are either giving love or asking for it. If we don't feel love coming from others, we might think of offering it to them. I also believe that the authors of the letter want the church to be as good as it can be just as I do, so I respectfully offer the above ideas to stir up the creativity we all have within us.
Sincerely, Stefani Cochran
It matters little what someone else has or has not
done.
What matters is what you're doing right now.
- John-Roger
(From: The Tao of Spirit)
Subject: Response to Stefanie Cochran'slLetter about congregatinal mailing.
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:06:56 EDT
From: [Pat and Robert Moore]
To: [UUCF Chat]
Dear Stefanie,
Thank you for taking time to respond. A goal of ours is to encourage many more congregational members to become aware of, and participate in, discussing the issues in the enclosure to our letter about declining membership.
Because of your very active involvement in another UU church for some years, you may not realize there now is limited opportunity for UUCF members to discuss issues with the congregation at large.
It is not unusual for only 20-25 people to attend congregational forums. At annual meetings, there is often little more than 10 percent of members present to hear varying opinions about proposed policies. Even then, we usually have "special rules" in place restricting, to a large degree, the extent of discussion. It is for these reasons we decided to write a letter to the congregation, "in the spirit of Unitarian Universalism", calling their attention to our concerns about declining membership and encouraging them to become more involved in UUCF's governance process.
There are more than a few of us who experience changes in our church that seem to be undermining some of our democratic and UU principles. Twenty long-term active members signed the letter we mailed last week to the congregation. These include two past Presidents of the Board, several past lay ministers and a current member of the nominating committee. You may want to speak with some of these members before determining whether or not there are serious problems at UUCF. Also, we have received dozens of signed "Request for Mediator" forms already--just five days after the mailing. This from just one mailing--no followup phone calls nor letters, no Sunday morning pep rallies.
I am hoping to listen with an open mind to the views of all congregational members who choose to participate.I hope you and others will do the same. I expect many will believe there are problems and many will not.
This is where we hope the congregation will consider bringing in a mediator -- an outside, objective, professional who can help us to speak about our experiences safely, guide us in listening to each other carefully and with compassion, and assist us in determining options about and deciding upon healthy compromises that offer a balanced approach in meeting a diverse congregation's needs.
Thanks again for reading our letter and taking the time to respond.
Sincerely,
Pat and Robert Moore
Subject: Dear Stefani
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:06:10 EDT
From: [Ann Wood]
To: [Stefani Cochran], [UUCF Chat]
CC: [several others]
Dear Stefani,
I am sending this to the chat list because it is in response to your remarks sent there.
I admire and respect you enormously, and hold you in affection as part of my church family, so I was surprised to find us in very different places concerning the Moore's mailing. I have come to the conclusion that it is time to look outside our church community for some guidance.
I believe that many people from the various segments of our church community have tried very hard and sincerely over the past couple of years to "look within" and understand and respond to one another. But a wide sense of unease and frustration persists -- it is a rare church gathering where I do not hear it discussed. I do not agree with all the issues raised, but it is disheartening to me to look around after church and see ever fewer of my own dear friends. Some may have left for reasons such as your move to the country, but not all. I wonder if you had been more regularly involved over the past couple of years whether you would have come to the same conclusions.
It is interesting that you used the example of a psychotherapist -- because that is the perfect example of someone from the outside. In fact, I think that is pretty much what the Moores are asking for -- a guide from outside who can help us to look within, make sense of what is going on, and deal with it in a constructive way. I myself would use the term "healer" -- someone who can help us all understand each other and learn how to heal ourselves. My hope is that this would be done in a positive way, as an avenue of growth for us all.
Thank you, Stefani, for sharing your thoughts. I will always respect and give my thoughtful consideration to what you have to say.
In friendship, Ann Wood
From: Bruce Vernor
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:03 PM
To: UUCF CHAT
Subject: Pat and Robert Moore's Letter
Attached are my comments to Pat and Robert. Dear Pat and Robert,
Attached are my comments on parts of your April 18 letter. Regards,
Bruce
BRUCE VERNOR
[contact information edited out]
April 27, 2000
Attached to Email
Dear Robert and Pat,
I am sorry that you have concerns, but I am pleased to have them out in the open for discussion. I do have some disagreements with some of your points, which I will discuss in a moment. First, however, I must ask a question: what do you want a UUA arbitrator to arbitrate? I see room for discussion, but no defined topics for arbitration. I discussed this briefly with Steve Gold, a professional arbitrator, and he has the same question.
I am only commenting on the items for which I have enough information readily at hand.
Your numbers:
Best regards,
Bruce
Subject: Re: Recent Petition for a Mediator
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:14:22 -0400
From: "Kit (Christopher) Lueder"
To: Bergemann
CC: uucf-chat
Hi Richard,
While I also posted a response to the letter and have similar reaction
to it, I'm unhappy with language to marginalize the people who wrote the
letter.
(1) They are all wonderful people who have given very generously to UUCF
their time and (I presume) their treasure, and they have a right to
express their concerns.
(2) This is a new initiative and it is not fair to judge them by the
actions of others in the past.
(3) It is difficult to assert what their "desires" are.
Kit Lueder.
Richard Bergemann wrote:
> After following discussions over the past 2 ½ years that I
> have been attending UUCF as a Friend on issues expressed by the
> concerned group of UUCF members and referenced in the letter (which I
> will gladly send you a copy of if you haven’t seen it), I have
> concluded that these malcontents who are behind this letter are
> arrogant, self-centered and have no regard for anyone in the
> congregation other than those who agree with them. They accept no
> responsibility for contributing to the concerns that they identify.
> They have little desire to work in a cooperative way to ensure that
> the church includes them; they want it back the way it was and on
> their terms. All of this is cloaked in language that appears
> conciliatory on the surface. No matter how much they may have done
> for UUCF in the past, they are not helping it today but holding it
> back. Giving legitimacy to their latest campaign to be put on center
> stage will only make it harder to address any of their concerns that
> really require attention.
Subject: Letter from John Krutilla to Bruce Vernor
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:17:14 EDT
From: [Pat Moore]
To: [Bruce Vernor]
CC: [UUCF Chat]
Dear Bruce:
John Krutilla has asked me to forward this letter to you by e-mail and to post it to the UUCF chatlist.
Pat
[snail-mail address edited out]
April 29, 2000
Dear Bruce:
I have seen your thoughtful letter and do sense your genuine concern over the material Pat and Bob Moore sent to Congregants and Friends of the UUCF. It served to confirm for me that over the ten or so years I have known you I have never found anyone with greater dedication, genuine good will and willingness to serve the UUCF. Accordingly, your thoughts on the current issue are valuable and worthy of careful study. And I have done that. But in spite of a willingness on my part to give you the benefit of the doubt, I nonetheless come away from reading your letter with two troubling concerns:
In Faith,
JVK
Subject: increasing the congregation's chances of success
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000
From: [David Heagy]
To: [Birds of a Feather]
Birds of a FeatherIn a message dated 2000-05-04 11:50:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,[Pat Moore] writes:
> David, because you are having difficulty understanding the concerns we
have
> expressed, you may find the Ombudsman Report particularly helpful. We
share
> most of the concerns cited in that report.
Pat, I really am trying to be helpful. I do understand the concerns. I read the Ombudsman report shortly after joining the board. I have only two intentions with my comments:
First, I want to express that I feel hurt by the accusations like "restricting freedom of speech" and persuade you not to use hurtful statements.
And, second I want to increase the congregation's chances of success for making appropriate changes. As I have said several times, a mediator MAY be a good approach. But right now I see some barriers to success. All I can do is give my views. I hope you'll see them as constructive comments with good intentions, and perhaps act on them.
Barriers as I see them.
David (personal comments)
Subject: RE: increasing the congregation's chances of success: INVALIDATING perceptions
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:24:24 -0400
From: "Edward Cacciapaglia"
To: "'David Heagy'"
CC: [UUCF Chat] [Birds Of A Feather]
Birds of a FeatherDavid, you wrote, >>>>"First, I want to express that I feel hurt by the accusations like "restricting freedom of speech" and persuade you not to use hurtful statements."
David, I acknowledge your hurt and I know you are trying to be helpful to the situation, but I take STRONG exception to your statement here. This is not a personal attack, but is merely meant to tell you my gut level reaction, David. If you are really hurt by some of us feeling that we are not being heard, I hope you can look deeper within yourself as to why these words hurt you. My current perception, right or wrong, is that you seem more interested in rebutting concerns and observations of a significant minority of UUCF then in giving the concerns an objective hearing.
A perception of "restricting freedom of speech" IS NOT a personal attack, but the way you wrote to personalize your pain over it made it seem that way. And David, this pattern of behavior has gone on at UUCF by a few in leadership for at least the last 4 years, where criticism of restricting freedom decisions becomes a "hurtful" personal attack on the leaders. This is a major part of the problem at UUCF, criticisms of management practices are transformed into personal attacks. (It has an Orwellian feel to it at times.) This behavior was evident at UUCF several years ago when similar concerns were brought up and the ombudsmen report was issued, but some still seem interested in taking any criticisms as personal attacks. It is because of this attitude that I believe someone outside UUCF is needed to facilitate discussions if not mediate our differences.
To me, it would be far more helpful to the discussion if we deal in factual matters instead responding with our emotions of feeling pain or hurt. The way to increase the congregation's chances of succes to have leadership that listens to ALL points of view in a non-defensive way and keeps an open mind to any criticism.
In fellowship,
Ed Cacciapaglia
[David Heagy, 4 May 2000 is quoted in full here.]
Subject: Old haunts...
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 04:29:54 +0000
From: Alex Machina
To: [UUCF Chat]
Date: May 08 2000 20:34:50 EDT
From: [Kurt Jensen]
Subject: List managers
....
A final note: Some have recently complained about the suppression of free speech on this list. I believe nothing I say can or will ever convince them otherwise. All I can do is point to all the recent message traffic and ask: What is being suppressed???
[Kurt Jensen]
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[Censorship, by Rosalie A. Clavez, 15 Mar 2000
is quoted in full here.]